Antique Tractors Forum

souNdguy · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:45 am Post subject:

if you are seeing 1960 dates on the engine.. and think it's a 01 ie.. a51.. that jives.

58-62 for that series.

soundguy

Goldilocks · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:01 am Post subject:

souNdguy, thanks, I'm sorry, I neglected to mention that the gentleman I bought it from told me he replaced the engine it had when he bought it with a freshly rebuilt engine of the same model. So the engine is (obviously) not the original diesel that went with the D transmission it has, and to boot it is at least the 2nd gas engine this tractor has had. I was hoping to narrow it down. Since diesels weren't made until '59, and assuming this is the original transmission, then it was built somewhere between '59-'62. The sheet metal has a very faint "851" visible. I know that is a big assumption that it is the original sheet metal and/or original transmission, but it's all I have to go on at the moment. I'll hunt down some of these other numbers.

Thanks again for all y'all's help.
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1951 Ford 8N
1959 Ford 851-D PowerMaster with 1960 gas engine
2006 Kubota L3400

souNdguy · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:05 am Post subject:

at this point with a known non oem engine.. I'd se eif the axle trumpet date codes are within 3-4 months of the tranny..or other numbers.. like lift cover.. and if so, call it good.

soundguy

bikerdave · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject:

Four cyl Diesels came out in fifty-five.
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souNdguy · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject:

sorry.. they came out in 59

there is no such thing as a production model 00 series diesel ford.. anyone that knows anything about fords knows diesel and sos all hit in 59.. same with the offsets...

soundguy

Kirk-NJ · Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:47 am Post subject:

souNdguy · Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject:

yep.. made from 52-58 the New major ( E1A dagenheim) could be had with a 4 cyl gasser or diesel or all fuel engine... but it was a fordson. wasn't untill 64 till the fordson line was absorbed under the ford name. fordson was a seperate division in england.. wasn't till the 9n in 39 that ford switched back from totally thinking about the 'A' to making tractoors as 'ford' here again.

if it's a 'ford' diesel it's 59+

soundguy

Goldilocks

I read all the date codes mentioned and here's what I have, followed by what I think the codes mean based on all I've read on this and other forums on how to decode these numbers...

Transmission bellhousing: Model ?51-D -- 851 Diesel, cannot read the 8 but still have paint to try to strip to read it; Serial Number is totally unreadable, will try stripping paint but since it was most likely born a diesel I don't have high expectations I'll be able to read it. Since it is a diesel it was made 1959-62, probably a '59 model due to other codes I found (see below).

Hydraulic cover under ROR seat: 950: -- May 14, 1959

Rear end left side under PTO engage lever: 92N: -- February 13, 1959
(this number is completely upside down, not just a single digit, but the whole thing)

Transmission right side under running board: 85P: - May 15, 1959

Axle trumpets - Right: B49: -- February 4, 1959
- Left: L148: -- November 14, 1958
(both axle trumpet numbers are right side up, even though I've read in several forums that they were usually upside down)

Engine (172 cubic inch gas): 0G17 -- July 17, 1960 -- I already knew this was at least the 2nd gas engine this tractor has had, despite its originally having a diesel assuming the transmission housing is original.

I have no backwards or upside down individual numbers or letters, except for the transmission number which is completely upside down.

Conclusion: this tractor was built in 1959 as a diesel, was converted to a gas engine at some point and now has a Ford 172 cubic inch gas engine, and has at least a few parts that were manufactured in 1958.

Close enough for me. If I can read the SN at some point great, but not that important.

Again, thanks for all your help. I've learned a great deal from your postings.
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1951 Ford 8N
1959 Ford 851-D PowerMaster with 1960 gas engine
2006 Kubota L3400

Goldilocks · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: CORRECTION TO MY LAST POST

Transmission right side under running board: 85P: - May 15, 1958
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1951 Ford 8N
1959 Ford 851-D PowerMaster with 1960 gas engine
2006 Kubota L3400

souNdguy · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject:

sounds good!

bikerdave · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry but we had a red and grey 85X four cyl Diesel in 1955. Five speed trans, live pto, pie weights on rear. Pulled three fourteen inch moldboards, very well. I want to think it was an 855 Diesel but the "experts" tell me there was no 855 made. I drove this thing for a couple of years and left the farm in 1958. My memory may be bad, but this I remember. Compaired to the 8N it was huge and steered really hard.
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souNdguy · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject:

sorry...nothing you said jives with reality.

855 is not a ford model id.

*5* is NOT a live pto machine either.

*6* is a live pto machine.

there were simply NO stock 'ford' diesels before 59 over here.

again.. you could get a fordson diesel 4 cyl in 52...

don't take uh.. everyone else's word for it.. look it up yourself.. there are plenty of tractor blue books and ford tractor history books.. prips was one of the best.

heck.. even better.. ask the manufacturer.. or it's current caretaker anyway.

you can access the parts books for all fords from 39 till present online.

lookup the **0 and the **1 series machines.. look up the engine for any 6/8 00 machine.. you will get a listing from 52= FOR 134ci GAS, LP AND KERO

jump to the 6/801 series and lookup engine.. MAGICALLY you see a diesel engine possibility with part numbers starting some time in 58 GO FIGURE! weird huh!??

soundguy